Philosoraptor poses an interesting question

**seN Bloodlust** · 24-07-10, 08:57 PM

Pretty much this

***seN Chris*** · 24-07-10, 09:39 PM

Because Humans are fucking crazy, thats why. Most of the time we stick the middle finger up to nature and science.

In all honesty though it's probably something to do with the brain and even though it's made up of particles, theres obviously something in there for free will. I eman animals have free will, we just express it more.

**Teh_Rob** · 24-07-10, 09:42 PM

BECAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO!

seN SolarChild · 26-07-10, 05:34 PM

Quantum statistics is a science based on the random probability of an atom or particle existing in a certain space. Everything is random, the fact that we exist at all is proof that random phenomena can create something incredible. What i'm getting at is that maybe it's the random nature of everythign that allows for free will to exist.

**seN Bloodlust** · 26-07-10, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by seN SolarChild

Quantum statistics is a science based on the random probability of an atom or particle existing in a certain space. Everything is random, the fact that we exist at all is proof that random phenomena can create something incredible. What i'm getting at is that maybe it's the random nature of everythign that allows for free will to exist.

That is a reasonable answer. But I would argue that we could only have what seems or appears to be free will, because of the probabilistic nature of the atoms in our brains.

**Teh_Rob** · 26-07-10, 06:06 PM

You could also argue that all thought patterns are just the opening and closing of Na and K channels in neurones, in order to channel an electrical impulse

seN SolarChild · 27-07-10, 11:04 AM

You could also argue, that the movement of those Na+ and K+ ions relies on their random brownian motion, and the probability of them colliding with the Channels to be able to be moved from one side of the membrane to the other. I'm sure the channel protiens responsible take advantage of the attraction of opposite charges to attract the said ions, but it's still ultimately reliant on random probabilities of the ions transfered being sufficient to generate a nerve impulse. although i suppose because the ions channels are closed off to allow one way movement this i aslo turned to the advantage of the neurone.

**Teh_Rob** · 27-07-10, 05:53 PM

God I hate physics

**seN Bloodlust** · 27-07-10, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Teh_Rob

God I hate physics

Haters gonna hate

seN SolarChild · 28-07-10, 12:04 AM

you could also argue, that that was AS level biology. P:
(HOW DO I STILL KNOW THAT? T_T )

**Teh_Rob** · 28-07-10, 01:02 PM

I think it's A2 these days. Or it was when I did it

24-07-10, 08:57 PM	#1
seN Bloodlust The One and Only Frogger 2004 Champion! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Durham Posts: 2,704 Main Game: Halo Series - XB360 Secondary Game: Guild Wars Add to Xfire Friends List	Philosoraptor poses an interesting question Pretty much this ________________________________ The one in charge. Watch me rise.

24-07-10, 09:39 PM	#2
*seN Chris* NOICE Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Norwich, England Posts: 670 Main Game: Team Fortress 2 Secondary Game: Arcade Add to Xfire Friends List	Because Humans are fucking crazy, thats why. Most of the time we stick the middle finger up to nature and science. In all honesty though it's probably something to do with the brain and even though it's made up of particles, theres obviously something in there for free will. I eman animals have free will, we just express it more. ________________________________ seN Chris ~ i am crazy ~ you have just wasted seconds of your life reading my posts

26-07-10, 05:34 PM	#4
seN SolarChild Monster Hunter 3 **** Epic Member** Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 99 Main Game: Other Secondary Game: Team Fortress 2	Quantum statistics is a science based on the random probability of an atom or particle existing in a certain space. Everything is random, the fact that we exist at all is proof that random phenomena can create something incredible. What i'm getting at is that maybe it's the random nature of everythign that allows for free will to exist. ________________________________ Check my stuff out!

27-07-10, 11:04 AM	#7
seN SolarChild Monster Hunter 3 **** Epic Member** Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 99 Main Game: Other Secondary Game: Team Fortress 2	You could also argue, that the movement of those Na+ and K+ ions relies on their random brownian motion, and the probability of them colliding with the Channels to be able to be moved from one side of the membrane to the other. I'm sure the channel protiens responsible take advantage of the attraction of opposite charges to attract the said ions, but it's still ultimately reliant on random probabilities of the ions transfered being sufficient to generate a nerve impulse. although i suppose because the ions channels are closed off to allow one way movement this i aslo turned to the advantage of the neurone. ________________________________ Check my stuff out!

28-07-10, 12:04 AM	#10
seN SolarChild Monster Hunter 3 **** Epic Member** Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 99 Main Game: Other Secondary Game: Team Fortress 2	you could also argue, that that was AS level biology. P: (HOW DO I STILL KNOW THAT? T_T ) ________________________________ Check my stuff out!

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